1. In a conversation with Milton Doerner, who was the head bagel baker at Watson Bagel from 1957 until the Chancellor Avenue store closing on June 11, 1998, he told me that today's bagels are, for the most part, 'a roll with a hole' and that the old-timers who knew and understood the art of bagel-making -- old-time operators -- are dying off, and soon there will be no one left who knows how to make a real bagel